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lou elizondo the former director for

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the advanced aerospace threat

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identification program has some answers

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so excited to welcome you today lou

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thanks for joining us

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jack it is my sincere pleasure to be

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with you and your audience today thank

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you very much for having me

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so i wanna take us uh back for a second

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and set the table for this conversation

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how exactly did you get assigned in the

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first place to investigate ufos for the

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intelligence community

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well jackie quite frankly i was

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voluntold

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um in essence i had some i guess some

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prerequisite experience that they were

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looking for

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at the time the the organization was

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fairly fairly new

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and they were looking for someone to

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create a counterintelligence and

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security portfolio

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and i guess because of some of my

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background running investigations uh

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counterintelligence investigations and

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some of my background in

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technology protection specifically with

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aerospace systems

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that probably i suspect was was

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a fairly lucrative skill set that they

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were looking forward to

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to create this this sub-portfolio under

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atip

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and that's how i got into the program it

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i i entered the program in 2008 i was

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asked by its director to come on board

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2010 is when i

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and i'm sure many of you are well aware

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of this if you are tuning in you've

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probably watched the documentary that

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came out this year the phenomenon

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senator harry reid which the stock

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outlines got the program funded

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did you brief him in congress on these

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unexplained pilot

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sightings when you were running the

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jackie we we provide many briefings

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mostly through dod

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and intelligence community leadership

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that information was also provided to

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times at

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to staffers and of course our elected

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it's very important that when you're

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working in a national security construct

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you try to follow the chain of command

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as much as possible

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so a lot of my briefings were really to

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more senior level folks in the

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department of defense

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and within our intelligence architecture

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but there were times yes that we were

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we would be asked to brief other other

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officials particularly in the

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legislative branch and in the executive

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branch as well and

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right now uh everyone in washington and

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really a lot of people around this

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country

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are hotly anticipating this unclassified

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government report on aerial phenomenon

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witnessed by navy pilots

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it's expected to be delivered to the

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senate intelligence community by the

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director of national intelligence

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hopefully by june 25th the new york

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times reported

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that senior administration officials who

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were briefed on the finding

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said that the unusual movements

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by pilots did not originate from

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american military or advanced

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us government technology but that's

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really about the only conclusive finding

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has been so far teased from the report

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what do you think the likelihood is that

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aerial phenomenon are actually actually

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extraterrestrial

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spacecraft well jackie that that's

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really the question isn't it

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uh the bottom line is up up until very

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recently there are really only only

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three possibilities of what this could

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be and the first possibility is that it

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is some sort of secret u.s

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tech that somehow we have managed to

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keep secret even from ourselves for for

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a long period of time

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the second option is that it's some sort

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of foreign adversarial technology that

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technologically leapfrog ahead of our

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and of course the the third option is is

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something quite entirely different it's

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it's a it's a different paradigm

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completely now as of this week we now

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through some of the discussions at

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that uh this this report has

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definitively stated once and for all

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that it's not our technology uh and

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that's that's hugely important for 30

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years there has always been this

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undercurrent if you will

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these conspiracies that there was some

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special technology that has been

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implemented and we've been uh just been

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very careless about it and i think that

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argument was finally put to bed

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this week uh so that really only leads

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to other options

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and that's again it's foreign

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i think we're now beginning to learn as

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we've heard from the director of

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national intelligence and i can

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certainly tell you from my experience

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that we're pretty confident that it's

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not russian or chinese technology and

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there's several reasons for that that if

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you like i'm more than happy to go into

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yeah actually could you go into that i

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know you've explained it in previous

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interviews but uh these sightings have

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happened for the past 70 years and i

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know you've said before

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that you didn't think it was possible

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for one of our foreign adversaries

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who have been helpful actually in

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providing information uh

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on this issue would be capable of

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keeping something a secret for so long

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accurate that that's that's precisely

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precisely one of the counter arguments

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in fact uh if i'm not mistaken as of

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we had an announcement by former

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director of national intelligence

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uh ratcliffe who said this isn't russian

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technology

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and as we know during glasnost and the

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fall of the berlin wall

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there was this five-year romance period

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the united states and russia where we

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began really sharing a lot of

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information and a lot of their

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ironically enough a lot of their ufo

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wound up in our hands and it turns out

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that they were experiencing the exact

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same issues

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less likely that this is some sort of

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so that really leaves china and some of

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these reports you're absolutely correct

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jackie they go back into the early 1950s

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what that says is that you have pilots

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whether we're describing what we call a

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or a white flying butane tank in the

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1950s or a white flying

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describing the exact same

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vehicle craft if you will doing exactly

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the same thing

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performing in ways well beyond our

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it simply doesn't make sense that china

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mastered it is able to fly it at will

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anywhere it wants on the face of the

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billions of dollars we put into our

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and architecture it has it has managed

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to evade us in fact china

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is a country that has has stolen quite a

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bit spends a lot of

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a lot of time stealing technology from

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really a country had this technology

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uh furthermore if you had this type of

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technology you probably wouldn't need to

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invest so much in military

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obsolete and so this goes to your last

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this is quote extraterrestrial let me be

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very careful before i answer that by

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at the end of the day jackie it doesn't

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matter what i think or what i believe

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what matters is what the data and the

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tell us uh and from that perspective

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i had a very simple job and that is to

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collect the truth and speak the truth

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that's it

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uh very much as an investigator which i

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used to be we applied the same type of

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uh and methodologies we did in hunting

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terrorists and spies

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as we did in hunting ufos so we really

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didn't care what these were we were just

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trying to get to the bottom of what they

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and so in in there in lies if you will

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a little bit of of um of our approach

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we were we were very agnostic if you

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will or objective about this topic and

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tried to allow the facts to lead us down

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a certain path

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and that is really what we're doing

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today what we're realizing is that

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that the facts are painting a far more

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compelling picture

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than than what we thought in this case

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you your audience they're the jury

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uh so what matters is really what what

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you think about this and so

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the the the hope here is that the us

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government can provide

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the data and the evidence and the

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information and then allow

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the american people to decide what we

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i think if i may just digress for a

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that a lot of people want to talk about

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into where we are with modern day

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we are human beings that a lot of a lot

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means we look at things in extremes

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because for the first nine months of our

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existence

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we we were in our mother's womb and we

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heard that binary heartbeat of our

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mother and so

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we tend to look at the life if you will

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in our universe in that

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that binary way it's either good or it's

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bad it's hot or cold

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black or white up and down and that's

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how we tend to judge things but in

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reality

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the universe in physics is isn't binary

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it's not binary at all in fact there's

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all sorts of

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options and opportunities of what this

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could be so

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again back to your question is is it

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from here or is it from out there

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we don't really know in fact there's

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lots of other options on the table

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it could be from as i've said before it

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can be from outer space

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inner space or the space in between as

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we begin to to

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learn what quantum physics is and we

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begin to understand our place here on

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this little planet

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we begin to realize that there's a lot

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of other options

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uh we we judge the universe in five

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fundamental

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uh senses uh the ways that we perceive

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the universe and that's

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touch taste hear smell etc uh and and if

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you can't uh if you can't use those

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senses to look at something or measure

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it

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fact

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is not perceivable uh there are right

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now wi-fi signals coursing through your

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body

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there's cosmic radiation coming in from

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the cosmos there's neutrinos coming in

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from

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and yet these are all realities and and

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you can't interact with it because we

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just don't have the tools to do so

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take a beautiful night sky look at the

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stars and you might say wow that's

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that's really a pretty sky

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but if you now take a radio telescope

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and look at that same spot in the sky

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all of a sudden

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you begin to see things that you

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couldn't see before you see in the

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ultraviolet you see in the infrared

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spectrum you see nebula

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so i guess my my long-winded point to

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all this is that

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we must keep all options open if we

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already know that 99

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of the universe we cannot perceive or

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interact with

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then there may be other options here

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this may not necessarily be something

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from outer space

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in fact this could be something as

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natural to our very own planet as us

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we're just now at a point where

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beginning to technologically be able to

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interact and collect data

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this could be something from under the

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oceans this could be something from yes

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from outer space

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uh we we really don't know and this is

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why i think we really need to take a

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whole of government approach

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and look at this because it is day by

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day it's seeming like more and more

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this conversation is shifting from a a

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a human technology quite possibly we

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don't know for sure yet

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but as someone who is more seeked and

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and

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do you have any more narrow idea

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uh in that 99 of things that we are

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unaware of

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of what this could be exactly you know

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uh through observations we are we are

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quite convinced that we're dealing with

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a technology that is

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is multi-generational

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several uh several generations ahead of

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what we consider next generation

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technology

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so what we consider beyond next

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generation technology something that

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could be anywhere between 50 to 1000

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years ahead of us

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and and for us i think it's when you're

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looking at the observations and these

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things how they can outperform frankly

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anything that we have in our inventory

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and we're pretty certain anything that

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our foreign adversaries and

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have in our inventory then yes obviously

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as as human beings we tend to go down

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that rabbit hole of speculation

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i want to be very careful that i don't

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offer my my opinion in an

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unqualified manner i've always stated

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this is exactly why we need a uap

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task force in fact this is why we need a

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much bigger hole of government enduring

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capability

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because at the end of the day we don't

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know what we're dealing with and frankly

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all options have to be on the table

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until they're no longer on the table

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i could offer you my my opinion right

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now but but jackie in

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in all honesty would probably be a bit

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of disservice because

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we frankly don't have enough information

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yet we're just now getting to the point

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as a government as a society that we are

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accepting the reality that

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this is real whatever it is i think i

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think we need to do a little bit more

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uh and so uh out of respect to you and

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your journalistic uh

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integrity and that that to your audience

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uh i'm probably gonna refrain from

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from offering more of my opinion on that

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particular aspect only because

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um the one thing i've learned in

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intelligence is you can be absolutely

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sure of something and still be

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absolutely wrong

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and i i don't want to mislead anybody

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i'm going to be a little bit of a pest

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here and i apologize for my desire for a

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more black and white answer but

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um in common parlance i guess is that

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something that you would refer to as an

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alien or

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a time traveler uh is there

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any sort of way you could you know more

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specifically

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this yeah i've said before this is

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something and i guess

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i may have just said it again but that

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this could be something from outer space

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inner space or frankly the space in

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between there's a lot of options out

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there this could be something that is

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that is extra hyper dimensional now i

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don't mean extra dimensional in a

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woo-woo sense i mean

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extra-dimensional in a quantum physics

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sense we know

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that the universe is full of shortcuts

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and loopholes

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uh we know so let me if i may backtrack

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for just a moment

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it took the renaissance to come to the

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point where we understand

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newtonian physics we understand what

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what what gravity looks like we still

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don't quite understand what it is yet

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but we understand what it looks like

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and and we understand force equals mass

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times acceleration and whatnot so we had

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these really elegant

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solutions for our observations of the of

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the natural world

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and then it took a couple hundred years

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but along comes some some

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some cat with crazy hair we called

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einstein who now introduces the notion

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of relativity

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and kind of upends really science uh and

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turns it 180 degrees and says well

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actually there's a thing called space

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time and space and time are actually

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connected

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and they're also stretchable and

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compressible and

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as bizarre as that may be that is

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precisely what we're seeing

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and so space-time can be warped based

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upon

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mass or a lot of energy and then of

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course 40-some years ago we really start

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getting into this whole

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another paradigm of science uh and it's

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it's quantum physics

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and someone once described it as you

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have this box

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uh sitting on the ground and in walks a

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dog and all of a sudden

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two cats walk out and as as as crazy as

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that may seem

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that's precisely what we're seeing in

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these observations with quantum physics

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proverbially speaking of course so it

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doesn't make sense and yet

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there's this weird duality maybe the

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universe uh the speed of light although

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maybe the universal speed limit

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there may be some shortcuts and off

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ramps uh in our in our

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in in this in this understanding of our

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universe

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so uh we are we are just now scratching

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the surface of

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understanding what type of science it

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may take

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to to do what we are seeing with these

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vehicles there's five

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specific observables associated with

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these with these

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these uaps unidentified aerial phenomena

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that

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really separate them from the rest of

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anything that we would consider

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terrestrial aircraft or

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manned aircraft or some type of of a

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human

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to be careful not to go too far out on

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the limb

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because that's where the speculation

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starts and that's also where the danger

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starts

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because we simply don't know yet

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well and i guess the other key question

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here is

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what do you think the likelihood is that

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the us government is actually going to

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jackie i think i lost you but i'm going

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to go ahead and try to answer the best i

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can i think you were asking me

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what the likelihood is of the us

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government going ahead and confirming

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anything

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in this 180 day report so let me see if

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i can go ahead and answer that hopefully

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that was your question because i

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seem to have lost signal um so the 180

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day report

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is first of all not substantial enough

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time

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to to to do a comprehensive report in

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fact i've told people it takes longer to

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remodel a household kitchen sometimes

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than it does to take 180 to to conduct

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one of these 180 day reports

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secondly there's the other issue here

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that we had covet and this this this

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pandemic that kept a lot of people home

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for most of that time

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and then thirdly i think if this turns

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out to be some sort of adversarial

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technology that has happened to leapfrog

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ahead of us

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for the last 70 years jackie we're

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talking about one of the greatest

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intelligence failures this country has

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ever seen

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probably eclipsing 911 by an order of

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magnitude

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it took us nearly three years to come up

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with a 911 commission's report

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if this turns out to be some sort of

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adversarial technology that did happen

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to technologically leapfrog us

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180 days i don't think it's going to be

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sufficient i think what

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we can expect the report to say is

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something like this there are about a

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hundred and some odd cases out there

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that are compelling enough that they are

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definitely displaying some sort of

574
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:25,440
capability technology that we don't have

575
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:28,480
secondly um we don't know what these

576
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,200
things are

577
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,760
um we have no evidence to suggest that

578
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:33,280
they are from outer space but at the

579
00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:35,360
same time we have no evidence to suggest

580
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,640
that they're not and so this this report

581
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:40,640
will probably be a bit of a placeholder

582
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:41,039
the one

583
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:44,320
point is that it's not us secret

584
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,360
technology

585
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:47,600
so that that takes part of the the

586
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:49,760
30-year argument that this is some sort

587
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:51,840
of secret air force if you will

588
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:53,919
a weapon platform being tested that's

589
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,280
now off the table

590
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:57,360
and so now we can focus more i think on

591
00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:59,440
the foreign adversarial perspective

592
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:01,840
or or hopefully maybe something on

593
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,720
something

594
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:05,360
quite frankly uh sufficiently different

595
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:06,320
than anything

596
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,840
that we had we had possibly considered

597
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:10,320
before

598
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:11,600
and when we're actually talking about

599
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:13,919
this as a national security threat

600
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,520
or as a foreign adversarial threat as

601
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,679
you just mentioned um

602
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:20,160
you know i think we need to to talk

603
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,600
about china here which we

604
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:23,280
the united states government also views

605
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:24,880
as a national security threat

606
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:27,039
and china is making big investments at

607
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,240
the moment to identify

608
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:30,320
extraterrestrial life as a part of their

609
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,440
military mission

610
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,200
there's discussion within the community

611
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:35,280
about whether it's better for us to lead

612
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:36,640
the way with confirmation

613
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,760
versus china doing so and possibly being

614
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:41,360
dishonest about what they found

615
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,480
essentially a new modern-day space race

616
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,000
do you think in your opinion does it

617
00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:48,240
matter which national

618
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:50,320
uh takes the lead on confirming the

619
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:51,760
presence of extraterrestrial life and

620
00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:53,120
who gets to the bottom of this answer

621
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,559
first

622
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:57,039
i i think well you're right jackie not

623
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:58,480
only that they've just announced they've

624
00:20:02,070 --> 00:19:59,760
established a new

625
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,080
uap task force similar to ours and

626
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:03,919
they're using artificial intelligence to

627
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,720
do this

628
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,880
we also know that there's a play by them

629
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:08,000
to to try

630
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,840
to to lead this conversation at the

631
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:11,200
united nations

632
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:14,159
um that for me it's it's a multi-faceted

633
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:15,440
question you're asking me there's two

634
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,640
parts of me and i'm

635
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:18,080
i'm a little bit i guess you'd say

636
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,159
schizophrenic about the response

637
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,840
there is the national security side of

638
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,840
me that has said always we have these

639
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:25,120
adversaries these traditional

640
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:26,159
adversaries

641
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:27,600
and they're going to steal everything

642
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:29,760
they can from us we should

643
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:31,520
don't trust them try to cooperate but

644
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:33,280
don't trust them but then there's the

645
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,159
other side

646
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,320
which is the the non-governmental side

647
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:38,080
of me that that tends to be a little bit

648
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,440
more optimistic

649
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,679
and perhaps this is an opportunity for

650
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,760
our countries rather than to

651
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:46,400
to find disagreement maybe to find some

652
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,600
sort of common ground

653
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:49,360
maybe maybe this may be a new

654
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:51,200
renaissance maybe this is an opportunity

655
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,720
for our countries to work together on

656
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:53,919
the common good

657
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,720
that involves all of humanity um maybe

658
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,320
this is like we did in the cold war

659
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:00,400
where we started working with russians

660
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,200
uh to to to you know this this this

661
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,120
error era of cooperation where we start

662
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,600
meeting each other in space um i i would

663
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:09,679
certainly hope the latter is

664
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:12,960
is what happens um i i don't know

665
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,159
you know that's a that's a great

666
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,400
question because i what i what i hope

667
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:18,159
for may be different than what i i

668
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,880
expect

669
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:21,120
um and it's that still needs to be

670
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,080
reconciled

671
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:24,480
um so i don't know if i answered your

672
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,440
question

673
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,440
appropriately but uh that's that's

674
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:29,120
that's how i feel i would love nothing

675
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,159
more than an opportunity

676
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,480
to work with with our adversaries our

677
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:34,400
conventional adversaries russia china

678
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:36,000
let's get everybody to the table

679
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,679
i believe this is a topic that involves

680
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,840
all of humanity i think it affects all

681
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,520
of us equally and yet differently

682
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,960
depending on our philosophical and

683
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:44,720
sociological and theological belief

684
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:45,679
systems

685
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:48,720
so uh i i you know that i guess maybe

686
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:49,520
the

687
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,240
to be an opportunity for us to

688
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:56,000
to work together but i also have a very

689
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,520
realistic side because

690
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,960
i've seen what those countries are

691
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,799
capable of doing

692
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:03,600
and you know i i it would have to take a

693
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:06,720
lot of trust for us to do that

694
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,320
and several of these ufo sightings have

695
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,440
been above

696
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:13,679
secret nuclear weapons facilities almost

697
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,520
every major nuclear power

698
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,679
across the globe really has reported and

699
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,360
declassified these sightings

700
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,600
um you have talked extensively about the

701
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,960
connection here which

702
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,280
might be helpful i think for some people

703
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,520
uh to hear in advance of my

704
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:29,440
next question which is whether or not

705
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,640
the us government has

706
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:33,200
considered utilizing nuclear-powered

707
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,480
naval fleets

708
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,440
to lure these kinds of things to further

709
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:39,360
study them

710
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:42,400
wow so first of all jackie thank you for

711
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,440
asking such a

712
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,520
thoughtful question um obviously you've

713
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:47,039
done some homework and i also want to by

714
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,840
the way

715
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,520
thank you as a journalist for following

716
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:51,039
this topic because i know there's a lot

717
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:51,520
of

718
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,880
stigma and taboo associated with it so

719
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,320
so i want to congratulate you for your

720
00:23:00,390 --> 00:23:00,000
courage and thank you and your audience

721
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:00,400
for

722
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,679
but secondly uh

723
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,600
yes that is that is one of the concerns

724
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:07,039
we have from a national security

725
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:08,000
perspective

726
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,520
that there does seem to be some sort of

727
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:12,080
congruency or some sort of intersection

728
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,520
between these uap

729
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,159
or ufo sightings and our nuclear

730
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:18,080
technology with nuclear propulsion

731
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,280
nuclear power

732
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:21,440
and generation or or nuclear weapon

733
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,400
systems

734
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,320
furthermore those same observations have

735
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:26,080
been seen overseas in other countries

736
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,240
they too have had the same incidents

737
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,880
so that tells us this is a global issue

738
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:32,960
now in this country we've had incidents

739
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:33,679
where

740
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,159
these uaps have interfered and actually

741
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,919
brought offline

742
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,080
our nuclear capabilities and i think to

743
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,600
some they would probably say well that's

744
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,919
a sign that that whatever this is is is

745
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,360
something that is peaceful

746
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:47,200
but in the same context we also have

747
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,559
data suggesting that

748
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,640
in other countries these things have

749
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:52,480
interfered with their nuclear technology

750
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,039
and actually

751
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:56,159
turned them on put them online so that

752
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,200
is equally

753
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,240
for me just as concerning um i think

754
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:01,760
that there is certainly at this point

755
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:02,799
enough data to

756
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:05,919
to to demonstrate there is an interest

757
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,320
in our nuclear technology a potential to

758
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,840
even interfere with that nuclear

759
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,880
technology

760
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,320
and when you look at all these naval

761
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:14,559
ships out there let's take the nimitz uh

762
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:17,279
battle carrier fleet for example

763
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,720
in some cases you're talking about a

764
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,720
nuclear footprint probably bigger than

765
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,720
most cities you have a nuclear-powered

766
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:23,520
carrier

767
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:26,880
with aircraft on board that and and then

768
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:27,440
you have

769
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,120
nuclear-powered submarines some of those

770
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:33,039
with nuclear weapons on board

771
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,480
or nuclear certainly nuclear

772
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:36,559
capabilities i'll just say that

773
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,320
um so i think i think uh yeah it

774
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,080
shouldn't be a surprise that maybe

775
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:44,159
uh there is there is an increased

776
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,200
interest in our

777
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,760
in our capabilities as it relates to to

778
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:50,320
our nuclear technology in the navy

779
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,080
is is certainly uh not immune to that

780
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,400
yeah absolutely and so you know i i

781
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:04,000
think the there's there's two there's

782
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,360
two congruencies that we see

783
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:08,240
we see a we see an interest in our

784
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:09,840
nuclear capabilities and then we have

785
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:10,240
this

786
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,400
really bizarre uh what i don't know if

787
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:16,159
you call it an interest but there seems

788
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,799
to be

789
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:19,360
a connection with water and these things

790
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,640
have uh have a

791
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,720
a tendency to be seen in and around

792
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:24,559
water which which kind of leads to one

793
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:25,679
of the observables

794
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,159
uh that we've had there's five distinct

795
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:30,320
observables that set this technology as

796
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,520
i mentioned earlier

797
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,120
aside from everything we have in our

798
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:35,120
inventory the first is hypersonic

799
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,000
velocity

800
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,840
the ability to change directions

801
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:39,440
instantly

802
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,600
human beings can withstand about nine g

803
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,240
forces are some of our best aircraft can

804
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,000
withstand about 16 g's

805
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:50,159
these things are doing three four 600

806
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,039
g's

807
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,440
uh in mid-flight then there's hypersonic

808
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,640
velocity

809
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,640
that is speeds that by definition are

810
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,000
mach 5 or above

811
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,919
very very fast we do have some

812
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,360
technology you mentioned russian

813
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,120
hypersonics and things like that

814
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,120
you know there there are technologies

815
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,120
that can go that fast but then again

816
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,440
you don't expect a hypersonic aircraft

817
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,039
to do a 90 degree turn

818
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,919
to put that into context our sr-71

819
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,200
blackbird when at 3

820
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,799
200 miles an hour wants to take a

821
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,720
right-hand turn it takes roughly half

822
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,400
the state of ohio to do it

823
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,320
you don't expect it to just kind of do

824
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:24,240
this uh and that's precisely what we're

825
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,200
seeing and then the

826
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,880
third observable is a bit like cloaking

827
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,400
we call it low observability

828
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,799
but the fourth observable is what what

829
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:32,640
we were talking about that's transmedium

830
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,200
travel

831
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,919
and water the ability for for an object

832
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,080
to fly not only in our atmosphere

833
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,240
low and high altitudes but also

834
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:42,240
potentially in a vacuum environment like

835
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:42,880
space

836
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,600
and even underwater now we do have

837
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,039
vehicles that can do that

838
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:49,520
we have for example a seaplane a

839
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,559
seaplane is

840
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,559
is a plane that can fly and it can float

841
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,159
on the water but when you look at it

842
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,080
it's neither really a very good

843
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:58,159
aircraft or a boat because it's a design

844
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,120
compromise

845
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,799
and yet what we are seeing are objects

846
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:03,200
that can operate in all these domains or

847
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,720
all these environments

848
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,000
seemingly without any type of

849
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,840
performance compromise

850
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,840
and so why are we seeing these things

851
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,679
around in and around water

852
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:13,039
is something that we're really we're

853
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,640
really kind of scratching our heads with

854
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,919
because we've seen these things they've

855
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,880
been recorded

856
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:19,120
not only in our atmosphere but there's

857
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,159
data to suggest

858
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,000
that they have also been tracked by some

859
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,240
of our our capabilities

860
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underwater as well and being able to

861
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perform in ways that frankly exceed

862
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:29,679
anything that we know

863
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,559
on the planet right now and lou

864
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unfortunately we only have time for one

865
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,200
more question

866
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but um i should make it clear to our

867
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,120
viewers that you actually signed an

868
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nda when you were working on this at the

869
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,880
pentagon is there any scenario that

870
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,000
would cause you

871
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,320
to break that nda if you feel like for

872
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:48,880
example this report obfuscates or

873
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,320
or peddles disinformation about uh what

874
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,679
the findings actually are here no ma'am

875
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,440
i will never violate my don my

876
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non-disclosure agreement with the

877
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government i still maintain a security

878
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,159
clearance and the reason is that

879
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not because it's my loyalty to the

880
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:05,440
government because it's my loyalty to

881
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,320
the american people that contract i send

882
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:10,640
signed those many years ago was a

883
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,919
promise to the american people that i

884
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would never violate their trust

885
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,760
period and i can't violate their trust

886
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,120
in order to gain their trust

887
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,440
it doesn't work that way uh so what i'm

888
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,960
going to continue to do is doing what

889
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,080
i'm doing now

890
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:24,320
and and pushing for this disclosure

891
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,840
pushing for the information that i know

892
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,600
to be true because i saw it and so did

893
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,720
my colleagues

894
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,399
continue to have this conversation the

895
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,080
way i can and i'll tell you

896
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:34,000
if it looks like the pentagon continues

897
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,440
to obfuscate

898
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,760
i have made it clear before that there's

899
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,440
a possibility i would consider

900
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,600
running for for some sort of

901
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,880
congressional office

902
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,159
i don't want to do that i'm not a

903
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:46,159
politician i don't have the political

904
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,039
savvy

905
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but if i have to put my boots back on in

906
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order to to

907
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:53,039
make sure this conversation is had and

908
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,000
ultimately

909
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,240
allow the american people to to to have

910
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,159
this conversation amongst themselves

911
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,640
then i will do what's necessary short of

912
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,559
violating my non-disclosure agreement

913
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:04,399
and violating my trust with the american

914
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,760
people

915
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:08,000
well we hope you'll come to us uh if and

916
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,880
when you

917
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:11,039
make that decision to to run for office

918
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,640
thank you so much for joining us today

919
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:15,120
lou and thanks for your work on all this